Curse

Burst Cancel · Jul 18, 2008, 04:07 AM // 04:07

Anybody who hasn't bought a console already shouldn't be buying one now; 65nm refreshes of the GPU for both the PS3 and X360 are on their way later this year.

High compression always carries a penalty, in decompression load, quality loss, or both. I don't know (and haven't heard) anything about BD releases having redundant data, but I don't see why they would squander valuable space on the media when HDD installations should alleviate or resolve any loading issues entirely.

Kanyatta · Jul 18, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

It is still a rumor. Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

1. It's not a rumor, I'm pretty sure everyone but you has gotten past this, since you are still stuck behind your veil of fanboy-ism.
2. I don't think its something to get all warm and fuzzy about if your favorite company can "play evil".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

And if you think I like Sony so much, you are wrong. I hated the PS2, and loved the XBOX and Gamecube. I never owned a PS2 until God of War came out. I finally caved and bought one.

I really can't believe that, especially since the PS2 was over 9000 times better than the XBox, and I really don't even want to talk about the Gamecube... biggest Nintendo fail ever. That thing was worse than the Virtual Boy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Yo Fuzzy... 200 dollars more eh?

Buy an XBOX 360 Pro for 299 now. You will need the 20GB HDD to even compared equally to the PS3. Now subscribe to XBOX live for 50 bucks per year. So 1 year lets say.

You are at 349. Now, go buy yourself a standalone BluRay player, another 400 bucks. You are up to 749. Ok, you wanted wireless Internet on your 360 for media server capability. Drop another 99. So 848 dollars to match what the 40GB PS3 has base level. Yep, Microsoft sure is giving you a great deal.

You know, there are those of us that don't have HDTV's, and also don't want a Blu-Ray player. Also, wireless Internet on a console is automatic fail. If I want to lag, I'll go play a 5 year old PC.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Crap games eh?

Drakes Fortune, Heavenly Sword (albeit short), Lair (with dualshock control scheme, not SixAxis), MGS4, and the better version of GTA4 and BF: Bad Company. Yep, it is soooo crappy on the PS3. Oh, and Blu Rays, don't forget those crappy blu rays.

GTA4 imo, has the edge on the 360 for one reason. Online play. You can actually converse with people online, which, on the PSN, yeah, there are some players, but no one has headsets because you have to buy that separate, so it's basically like playing by yourself anyway.

Blu-Ray's are pretty crappy for video games. "LOLGUIZ, WE CAN MAEK SUMTHING 8GB ON DVDZ, SO LETS MAKE IT 25GB ON BLU-RAY JUST FOR T3H LULZ"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

the PS3 will run quieter and use electricity (which it already runs infinitely quieter then the Xbox 270 jet turbine)

Was the "use electricity" a joke that went over my head or are you on drugs? Does the 360 run on coal?

Also, you can't hear the 360 when you are more than 3 feet away. I just checked.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

PS Online can't compete with Live? Oh, well I am glad you like PAYING for LAGGED OUT SERVERS with crappy download speeds. Pardon me while I download stuff off PSN at 2-3MBps.

I explained my stance on this earlier in the post. Also, these "lagged out servers" you speak of are nonexistent. I've never had problems downloading on 360.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I wouldn't watch the M$FT Press Conference if you paid me to. They are full of shit whenever they talk about any of their products. Microsoft is under Ballmer's full control now. You actually think that hyperactive idiot is going to do well with that company without Gates there? HAHHAAHHAHH! That guy is a class A nutjob.

So, you're fair and unbiased stance is plugging your ears and screaming "LALALALALA!" every time Microsoft defends anything they do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

What good product has MSFT made when compared to other stuff on the market? Windows XP only got decent in the last couple of years. It was garbage well after release. Vista... lol... big businesses are boycotting it for god's sake. The ZUNE 2? Yep! I WANT ONE SO MUCH! Oh wait, the iPhone 3G or iPod touch. Pardon me while I buy one of those instead.

I would say a "couple of year" run is pretty good. I run Vista personally, and I've never had any issues with it, I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about it. "ZOMG MACZ RULE!" Yeah, sorry, I like playing video games. Vista runs better anyway.

I had an iPod mini for about 4 years, and decided it was time for an upgrade. I went with a 8GB Zune, I saved $50 as compared to the 8GB iPod Nano and it runs just as well.

Why would I want to pay ~$2000 for the iPhone anyway? It has terrible web browsing, or anything Internet-related. Oh, you can make calls AND spend a shit ton of money, great deal!

Same goes for the iPod Touch, way to over-expensive for what it does. "GUIZ! I CAN TOUCH TO SELECT MY SONGS! THATS BETTER, AMIRITE?!?!"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You can say whatever you like about that PS3, but at least Sony makes a product that can run 24/7 and doesn't have a failure rate of 17%.

If you bought a 360 within the last 6-8 months, there really hasn't been any issues with it. The RRoD is a thing of the past.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You think they care about money? Just LOL at that.

Strangely enough, I actually do think they care about money. Otherwise they'd be donating 100% of their profits and giving away PS3's.

DarkNecrid · Jul 18, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Quote:

Blu-Ray's are pretty crappy for video games. "LOLGUIZ, WE CAN MAEK SUMTHING 8GB ON DVDZ, SO LETS MAKE IT 25GB ON BLU-RAY JUST FOR T3H LULZ"

This is the only thing I'm going to disagree with.

Right now, it is for the lulz, but as history has shown us, as time goes on, that space increase becomes neccessary. The only game to take advantage of the extra space right now may be MGS4 because of the uncompressed stuff, but give it time. Plus, it gives the PS3 the advantage in ports for having more uncompressed (read: higher quality, if even slightly.) stuff if it wants, or had more content or add more extras or....

Winterclaw · Jul 18, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

For PS3 or XBOX 360, i did hear something about an upgraded PS3 coming out, but im not sure... They are probably going to up the amount of storage in the PS3 anyways and up the price (plus add a bunch of bells and whistles to make the PS3 look cooler). I for one hate that they took the 20 gb PS3 off the market... It was probably also a bad marketing decision since many casual gamers, the majority of gamers probably only want to play a couple of games and don't need all that storage.

EDIT: Yea its a new model, the 80 GB model, and they are taking the 40 GB off the market...srsly ridiculous as seeing the PS3 is now way over priced now seeing as 60 GB is the new low model...

Yeah, they seem to have a new upgrade with slightly different features every few months. That's one reason why I think Sony messed up. Sure it has technical capibilities, but it's still extremely expensive and I don't think swiching features every few months makes them look any better. Sure it acts as a cheap blu-ray player, but right now blu-ray still doesn't have quite a big enough title selection for my liking. However people buying it as a blue ray player doesn't make it the best gaming console around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

I really can't believe that, especially since the PS2 was over 9000 times better than the XBox

PS2 got most of the cool games like FFX, Xenosaga, Virtua Fighter, GoW, and the like. I walk down a PS3 isle now and don't like too much of what I see.

BTW, my PS3 is kind of noisy because I bought an external fan to help cool it down.

Turbobusa · Jul 18, 2008, 08:39 PM // 20:39

I was talking about the 360. Title says 360, I didn't read the whole discution which I'm not interested in, but if you want to buy a 360, wait a bit.
I mis read the article actually, they just lower the price and it should become 50€ cheaper than a wii.
Source is there (in french).

Dante the Warlord · Jul 18, 2008, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

I was talking about the 360. Title says 360, I didn't read the whole discution which I'm not interested in, but if you want to buy a 360, wait a bit.
I mis read the article actually, they just lower the price and it should become 50€ cheaper than a wii.
Source is [url=http://www.lefigaro.fr/societes-etrangeres/2008/03/10/04011-20080310ARTFIG00749-la-xbox-bientot-moins-chere-que-la-wii.php[/url] (in french).

Any way you can find an english page to convey your reasons??? Or tell us what that page says. The only second language I speak is Mandarin..

Diddy bow · Jul 18, 2008, 09:38 PM // 21:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Sony is either going to stop it dead in its tracks or punish Square for doing this. Sony can play just as evil as MSFT if not more so.

I dont think sony would "punish" them just for the sake of vengance for some reason...

We will just need to wait and see what it looks like on both the consoles, if it wasnt going to work on the 360, it would not be realsed on the 360.

Turbobusa · Jul 18, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

Any way you can find an english page to convey your reasons??? Or tell us what that page says. The only second language I speak is Mandarin..

there you go
I checked the link it should work, grammar is ok.

Basically -80€ on every existing version:
Xbox arcade: 280€ ->199€
Premium: 349€->269€
Elite: 449€->369€

This may only affect countries using Euro because, as one of the comments below the article says, the euro/dollar conversion is often wrong, they don't really lose money lowering their prices.

Kanyatta · Jul 18, 2008, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Right now, it is for the lulz, but as history has shown us, as time goes on, that space increase becomes neccessary. The only game to take advantage of the extra space right now may be MGS4 because of the uncompressed stuff, but give it time.

Yeah, in the future the extra space may be useful. Basically what I'm saying is every PS3 game on Blu-Ray that has been released so far, or will be released in the near future, would fit on 1 DVD. If you compressed the sound for MGS4 (which I doubt anyone would notice if you did), I'm sure it would fit onto a single DVD. In the future, there may be games that exceed the ~8.5GB dual-layered DVD, but as of now, nothing really does.

Lord Sojar · Jul 18, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

1. It's not a rumor, I'm pretty sure everyone but you has gotten past this, since you are still stuck behind your veil of fanboy-ism.
2. I don't think its something to get all warm and fuzzy about if your favorite company can "play evil".

I really can't believe that, especially since the PS2 was over 9000 times better than the XBox, and I really don't even want to talk about the Gamecube... biggest Nintendo fail ever. That thing was worse than the Virtual Boy.

You know, there are those of us that don't have HDTV's, and also don't want a Blu-Ray player. Also, wireless Internet on a console is automatic fail. If I want to lag, I'll go play a 5 year old PC.

GTA4 imo, has the edge on the 360 for one reason. Online play. You can actually converse with people online, which, on the PSN, yeah, there are some players, but no one has headsets because you have to buy that separate, so it's basically like playing by yourself anyway.

Blu-Ray's are pretty crappy for video games. "LOLGUIZ, WE CAN MAEK SUMTHING 8GB ON DVDZ, SO LETS MAKE IT 25GB ON BLU-RAY JUST FOR T3H LULZ"

Was the "use electricity" a joke that went over my head or are you on drugs? Does the 360 run on coal?

Also, you can't hear the 360 when you are more than 3 feet away. I just checked.

I explained my stance on this earlier in the post. Also, these "lagged out servers" you speak of are nonexistent. I've never had problems downloading on 360.

So, you're fair and unbiased stance is plugging your ears and screaming "LALALALALA!" every time Microsoft defends anything they do?

I would say a "couple of year" run is pretty good. I run Vista personally, and I've never had any issues with it, I don't see why everyone is so up in arms about it. "ZOMG MACZ RULE!" Yeah, sorry, I like playing video games. Vista runs better anyway.

I had an iPod mini for about 4 years, and decided it was time for an upgrade. I went with a 8GB Zune, I saved $50 as compared to the 8GB iPod Nano and it runs just as well.

Why would I want to pay ~$2000 for the iPhone anyway? It has terrible web browsing, or anything Internet-related. Oh, you can make calls AND spend a shit ton of money, great deal!

Same goes for the iPod Touch, way to over-expensive for what it does. "GUIZ! I CAN TOUCH TO SELECT MY SONGS! THATS BETTER, AMIRITE?!?!"

If you bought a 360 within the last 6-8 months, there really hasn't been any issues with it. The RRoD is a thing of the past.

Strangely enough, I actually do think they care about money. Otherwise they'd be donating 100% of their profits and giving away PS3's.

Strangely enough, I forgot the word LESS in the electricity line. God forbid, I made a typo. That wasn't exactly a good point to bash me on, as it was pretty obvious it was a typo. You are just being petty now.

Mmmmk, and the PS3 80GB bundle pack will now be 399. The 40GB will now be 299.

"Nintendo sold 666,000 of its Wii consoles in June compared to the 405,500 PS3’s sold and 219,800 Xbox 360’s. It’s interesting to note that the PS3 sold nearly 200,000 more units for the month than the Xbox 360."

Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Nintendo+Wi...ticle12418.htm

Yes, the PS3 is so dead, it has comeback as a zombie and doubled the 360 sales.... oh my, the end is neigh!

The iPhone is ~$2000? Really, I didn't realize that 199 was 2000 dollars these days. Damn inflation... Really... it has terrible web browsing? Well, maybe on the non 3G version, but why would you have bought one of those anyways? If you were tech savvy in the least, you would have known better and waited for this new 3G version. Is it slow? I think not.

Vista doesn't run well compared to XP SP3. Vista is garbage. Why do you think Microsoft is even crapping it? Don't defend a product its creator has condemned... that makes you look silly.

Yes, because I can't talk to 8 year old twits in GTA4 online on PSN, it is better on 360? Your logic is clearly unbeatable. You have fun chatting it up with the pubescent idiots on Live, while I just play for the fun of playing (with better graphics, no slowdowns, and much faster load times I might add)

If you own an HDTV and don't want/have a Blu Ray player, you sir/madam have wasted your money. Why watch DVD on a TV that is capable of 10x more. Blu Ray is the ticket to bringing out the true capabilities of the HDTVs on the market. You just can't stand Sony.... who is the fanboy/fangirl now?
And don't even go into price... if you had the money for an HDTV, you have the money for a decent Blu Ray player.

Ironic... the Gamecube was the worst? That is why RE4 came out for it and won over 40 game of the year awards, and why the Gamecube was the most powerful of all 3 systems? It didn't suck, you just bought into the other manufacturers more. The reason the Cube failed was because of marketing and 3rd party support. It wasn't the actual Gamecube that was bad... and if you actually believe that, you might want to rethink your position.

As to the rumor bit, I already stated that it is "confirmed." The real question is... will Sony allow this to happen without consequence?

They will either

A). Delay its release through some type of corporate manipulation.
B). Go for a hostile takeover of Square Enix and fuse it with SCEA to maintain exclusivity of the FF series on the PS brand.
C). Pay SE enough money to reconsider.

Option C isn't Sony's style. Option A is probably not possible. Sony is quite pro on Option B. I am going to laugh my ass off when it happens.

Blu Rays are crappy for Video Games? That is why all the major game studios have said the complete opposite right? Maybe they are "crappy" for stupid ports from the 360 to the PS3, but as far as core development goes, they are invaluable. Even Epic Studios own staff (creators of Gears of Wars, UT, etc) have said that Blu Ray is an amazing format and gives them the ability to make their games that much better. DVD9 is an extinct technology.

Would you rather have a Pentium III or an Intel Core 2 Duo Penryn 3.0GHz processor? Yeh... so I guess your argument that DVD9 is so awesome is out the window. It is old technology, and it will soon be buried. Antiques are just that, antiques.

Dante the Warlord · Jul 19, 2008, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Mmmmk, and the PS3 80GB bundle pack will now be 399. The 40GB will now be 299.

They are actually getting rid of the 40GB, I don't know where you got you sources. Though I might bite at $300 for a PS3, which isn't a bad deal i guess, especially if it comes in a bundle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Would you rather have a Pentium III or an Intel Core 2 Duo Penryn 3.0GHz processor? Yeh... so I guess your argument that DVD9 is so awesome is out the window. It is old technology, and it will soon be buried. Antiques are just that, antiques.

I wouldn't call it extinct. DVDs are still awesome and I still use a DVD player, but again, if you want quality and a good watching experience, why not go to the movies and watch the movie you want to see? (excluding straight to DVDs). I haven't heard many people complaining much about DVDs anyways.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbobusa

there you go
I checked the link it should work, grammar is ok.

Basically -80€ on every existing version:
Xbox arcade: 280€ ->199€
Premium: 349€->269€
Elite: 449€->369€

This may only affect countries using Euro because, as one of the comments below the article says, the euro/dollar conversion is often wrong, they don't really lose money lowering their prices.

Interesting... Am I to assume the price for the US will be the same? I saw that europe and the US have the same pricing (I know weird exchange rate since the pound is almost twice the American dollar).

This is great news for XBOX players because now the cheaper prices will mean more people buying and more players online which means more fun...Yay..

DarkNecrid · Jul 19, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

None of those will happen.

Sony can't do shit and won't do shit. Square-Enix is one of the big video game companies, they pull their own weight. They are big enough that they publish their own games. Were it Sony publishing FF13, then sure, I might agree with you that they could do something. But right now Square-Enix holds the cards, and they are simply too big that Sony would own themselves if they tried to takeover Square-Enix. Not only would SE not allow it, but they would probably just all quit and remake their company anyways. They don't work underneath anyobdy, ever.

By being their own publisher, they control all the cards. Sony needs the Final Fantasy franchise, and I am sure if they even slighted Square-Enix in the faintest wrong way, they would just tell Sony to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off and go put everything on Wii and 360.

Sony has little to no say in the matter at this point. They've already obviously given SE the license to publish for their console, gave them the publisher's deal, given a license to develop games for their console, and given a license for the game. Same from MS. If Square-Enix has the game ready to go on another console, they've already done the publisher deal workings with Sony and MS, which means this is already legit on both sides.

Nothing either of them can (or will) do. They've signed the contracts, worked it all out, etc.

It's just the way the industry works with developer-publisher-console owner relationships. By now, Sony has already tried each of the 3 things you suggested, and failed miserably. That's the stuff that happens before the next console it gets put on announced. And that stuff probably happened months ago too.

Kanyatta · Jul 19, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Strangely enough, I forgot the word LESS in the electricity line. God forbid, I made a typo. That wasn't exactly a good point to bash me on, as it was pretty obvious it was a typo. You are just being petty now.

I apologize for not being able to read minds. I'll try not to do it again.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Mmmmk, and the PS3 80GB bundle pack will now be 399. The 40GB will now be 299.

"Nintendo sold 666,000 of its Wii consoles in June compared to the 405,500 PS3’s sold and 219,800 Xbox 360’s. It’s interesting to note that the PS3 sold nearly 200,000 more units for the month than the Xbox 360."

Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Nintendo+Wi...ticle12418.htm

Yes, the PS3 is so dead, it has comeback as a zombie and doubled the 360 sales.... oh my, the end is neigh!

OK, cool, the PS3 outsold the 360 in June. I never said it was dead, so please don't put words in my mouth and proceed to make fun of me for said words. I just said, as a whole, the 360 has outsold the PS3, and I have factual information to back it up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

The iPhone is ~$2000? Really, I didn't realize that 199 was 2000 dollars these days. Damn inflation... Really... it has terrible web browsing? Well, maybe on the non 3G version, but why would you have bought one of those anyways? If you were tech savvy in the least, you would have known better and waited for this new 3G version. Is it slow? I think not.

$200 + $40 a month plan (for the required 2 year contract) + $30 for "unlimited 3G data" (whatever that is). All for 2 years comes out to $1480. I jumped the gun a bit, but it is fairly close. That's only 450 minutes a month and 200 text messages, so make sure you don't go over.

You can't just pick the iPhone off the shelf, take it to the cashier, pay $200 and use it forever like a video game console.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Vista doesn't run well compared to XP SP3. Vista is garbage. Why do you think Microsoft is even crapping it? Don't defend a product its creator has condemned... that makes you look silly.

I am defending it because I use it and have never had a problem with it. It's only into SP1 and everyone's already counting it out. XP wasn't even good till SP2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Yes, because I can't talk to 8 year old twits in GTA4 online on PSN, it is better on 360? Your logic is clearly unbeatable. You have fun chatting it up with the pubescent idiots on Live, while I just play for the fun of playing (with better graphics, no slowdowns, and much faster load times I might add)

Then don't play with 8 year old twits. The percentage of annoying preteens that play GTA4 is a very small minority compared to the people that are tolerable.

All I'm saying is, seeing as the large majority of PSN users are without voice chat, you might as well not even be playing with real people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

If you own an HDTV and don't want/have a Blu Ray player, you sir/madam have wasted your money. Why watch DVD on a TV that is capable of 10x more. Blu Ray is the ticket to bringing out the true capabilities of the HDTVs on the market. You just can't stand Sony.... who is the fanboy/fangirl now?
And don't even go into price... if you had the money for an HDTV, you have the money for a decent Blu Ray player.

If you would have actually read the post, I said I DO NOT own an HDTV. I do have a Sony 32" CRT TV, and I've loved the heck out of it for almost 10 years now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Ironic... the Gamecube was the worst? That is why RE4 came out for it and won over 40 game of the year awards, and why the Gamecube was the most powerful of all 3 systems? It didn't suck, you just bought into the other manufacturers more. The reason the Cube failed was because of marketing and 3rd party support. It wasn't the actual Gamecube that was bad... and if you actually believe that, you might want to rethink your position.

RE4 came out for the GameCube, but was largely dismissed because the PS2 version that came out shortly after was far superior graphically, gameplay-wise (that GameCube controller sucks anyway, it isn't even designed for human hands), had shorter load times. I bought RE4 for PS2 and it is probably my most favorite PS2 game to date. The XBox was the most powerful of the 3 systems, by the way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Blu Rays are crappy for Video Games? That is why all the major game studios have said the complete opposite right? Maybe they are "crappy" for stupid ports from the 360 to the PS3, but as far as core development goes, they are invaluable. Even Epic Studios own staff (creators of Gears of Wars, UT, etc) have said that Blu Ray is an amazing format and gives them the ability to make their games that much better. DVD9 is an extinct technology.

Would you rather have a Pentium III or an Intel Core 2 Duo Penryn 3.0GHz processor? Yeh... so I guess your argument that DVD9 is so awesome is out the window. It is old technology, and it will soon be buried. Antiques are just that, antiques.

I never said DVD9 was "so awesome". The compression rate on Blu-Ray is terrible, which artificially inflates the size of these games, which leads to shortsighted arguments like "IF MGS4 WAS ON 360, IT WOULD NEED LIKE, 8 DVDs!!!!!"

There are very few games that have more than 9GB of data, if they were all run on DVD. Even MGS4 wouldn't require more than 2 DVD's, even with uncompressed sound.

Winterclaw · Jul 19, 2008, 04:30 AM // 04:30

The iPhone is 2k? I can run down to best buy and buy a top of the line computer and a big monitor for cheaper than that.

Kanyatta, a headset isn't that expensive. People can go down and buy them once the realize how useful they are.

Lord Sojar · Jul 19, 2008, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanyatta

$200 + $40 a month plan (for the required 2 year contract) + $30 for "unlimited 3G data" (whatever that is). All for 2 years comes out to $1480. I jumped the gun a bit, but it is fairly close. That's only 450 minutes a month and 200 text messages, so make sure you don't go over.

I am defending it because I use it and have never had a problem with it. It's only into SP1 and everyone's already counting it out. XP wasn't even good till SP2.

RE4 came out for the GameCube, but was largely dismissed because the PS2 version that came out shortly after was far superior graphically, game play-wise (that GameCube controller sucks anyway, it isn't even designed for human hands), had shorter load times. I bought RE4 for PS2 and it is probably my most favorite PS2 game to date. The XBox was the most powerful of the 3 systems, by the way.

I never said DVD9 was "so awesome". The compression rate on Blu-Ray is terrible, which artificially inflates the size of these games, which leads to shortsighted arguments like "IF MGS4 WAS ON 360, IT WOULD NEED LIKE, 8 DVDs!!!!!"

There are very few games that have more than 9GB of data, if they were all run on DVD. Even MGS4 wouldn't require more than 2 DVD's, even with uncompressed sound.

You are going to try and tell me about graphics hardware in consoles? Oh...ok...

For your information and benefit, allow me to clear some things up you seem a bit confused on.

1). The Gamecube's IBM Flipper chip was the most powerful of the group, thanks to row caching and extremely low latency interconnects.

2). The Gamecube had superior AA and AF technology, which made its version of RE4 BETTER than the PS2 version. You flipped the equation the wrong way there.

3). The Gamecube had texture overlay ability that was triple that of the PS2, and 6x that of the 360.

4). The Gamecube had a very advanced poly engine that allowed it to do many more passovers (more than both the other consoles combined)

and I hate to burst your bubble, but the XBOX was actually the weakest thanks to its PC like architecture. At least Microsoft learned a few things when they made the 360 (like not using a standardized processor and having a custom designed interconnect system, similar to what the PS2 and Gamecube had FROM THE BEGINNING.)

Now, if you want to debate GPU and CPU ability with me further, we can. You will lose, but that doesn't mean we can't. Your best bet is to stick with things like "The Gamecube had very few good titles, which made it a failure." Don't go with the tech route though... BAD IDEA.

The compression rate on Blu Ray is terrible? You mean the LACK of compression? Maybe this wasn't made clear to you. The more you compress something, the longer it takes to load, and.....get this... the more the quality goes DOWN. This isn't rocket science.

You have a 36 ft licorice. You have a 9 oz bucket and a 50 oz bucket. You try and jam that licorice into the 9oz bucket. Sure, you can get it in there, but you have to twist and contort it, mash it into itself, etc to make it fit. It drops into the 50oz bucket with plenty of room to spare. Now take them back out and see which one you can bring to full length and with no defects. I am going to go off a limb here and say the 50oz bucket will come out flawless, and can be straightened out in about 5-6 seconds, compared to ball of licorice you must unwind that will be damaged from all the smashing, and take you 20-30 seconds to get into a straight line. Does that help explain it?

Blu Rays are just large disks, so it takes a while to seek on them because of the amount of data. You are getting seek times mixed up with compression. DVD9 is crap, and its compression ratios are HORRIFYING. Blu Ray is the exact opposite.

And this iPhone bashing.... 2k? 1,400 dollars? huh, I wonder what other phones with less to offer (blackberries, etc) cost. 399+ for just the phone, 120 a month (the plans for the iphone are not different then those of the Blackberries...) Don't bash an Apple product if you are not going to bash the other phones competing with it for the same price or MORE. That isn't fair now is it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

None of those will happen.

Sony can't do shit and won't do shit. Square-Enix is one of the big video game companies, they pull their own weight. They are big enough that they publish their own games. Were it Sony publishing FF13, then sure, I might agree with you that they could do something. But right now Square-Enix holds the cards, and they are simply too big that Sony would own themselves if they tried to takeover Square-Enix. Not only would SE not allow it, but they would probably just all quit and remake their company anyways. They don't work underneath anyobdy, ever.

By being their own publisher, they control all the cards. Sony needs the Final Fantasy franchise, and I am sure if they even slighted Square-Enix in the faintest wrong way, they would just tell Sony to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO off and go put everything on Wii and 360.

Sony has little to no say in the matter at this point. They've already obviously given SE the license to publish for their console, gave them the publisher's deal, given a license to develop games for their console, and given a license for the game. Same from MS. If Square-Enix has the game ready to go on another console, they've already done the publisher deal workings with Sony and MS, which means this is already legit on both sides.

Nothing either of them can (or will) do. They've signed the contracts, worked it all out, etc.

It's just the way the industry works with developer-publisher-console owner relationships. By now, Sony has already tried each of the 3 things you suggested, and failed miserably. That's the stuff that happens before the next console it gets put on announced. And that stuff probably happened months ago too.

As to Sony not doing a hostile takeover of Square Enix. They own a huge amount of stock in the company. If you understand what a hostile takeover is, then you would understand that if they complete it, the IP for Final Fantasy would be owned by SCEA, not the people who would decide to leave (if they even did) Square Enix. It would be a brilliant move to be honest. What do you think Ichan is doing with Yahoo right now? Wake up, it isn't a difficult concept. Oh, and if Sony had attempted a hostile takeover of Square Enix, you would have heard about it. Hostile takeovers are not small news in the stock market world. Again, look at MSFT and Yahoo. Icahn is a genius for doing what he is doing right now.

some guy · Jul 19, 2008, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Strangely enough, I forgot the word LESS in the electricity line. God forbid, I made a typo. That wasn't exactly a good point to bash me on, as it was pretty obvious it was a typo. You are just being petty now.

Mmmmk, and the PS3 80GB bundle pack will now be 399. The 40GB will now be 299.

"Nintendo sold 666,000 of its Wii consoles in June compared to the 405,500 PS3’s sold and 219,800 Xbox 360’s. It’s interesting to note that the PS3 sold nearly 200,000 more units for the month than the Xbox 360."

Source: http://www.dailytech.com/Nintendo+Wi...ticle12418.htm

Yes, the PS3 is so dead, it has comeback as a zombie and doubled the 360 sales.... oh my, the end is neigh!

The iPhone is ~$2000? Really, I didn't realize that 199 was 2000 dollars these days. Damn inflation... Really... it has terrible web browsing? Well, maybe on the non 3G version, but why would you have bought one of those anyways? If you were tech savvy in the least, you would have known better and waited for this new 3G version. Is it slow? I think not.

Vista doesn't run well compared to XP SP3. Vista is garbage. Why do you think Microsoft is even crapping it? Don't defend a product its creator has condemned... that makes you look silly.

Yes, because I can't talk to 8 year old twits in GTA4 online on PSN, it is better on 360? Your logic is clearly unbeatable. You have fun chatting it up with the pubescent idiots on Live, while I just play for the fun of playing (with better graphics, no slowdowns, and much faster load times I might add)

If you own an HDTV and don't want/have a Blu Ray player, you sir/madam have wasted your money. Why watch DVD on a TV that is capable of 10x more. Blu Ray is the ticket to bringing out the true capabilities of the HDTVs on the market. You just can't stand Sony.... who is the fanboy/fangirl now?
And don't even go into price... if you had the money for an HDTV, you have the money for a decent Blu Ray player.

Ironic... the Gamecube was the worst? That is why RE4 came out for it and won over 40 game of the year awards, and why the Gamecube was the most powerful of all 3 systems? It didn't suck, you just bought into the other manufacturers more. The reason the Cube failed was because of marketing and 3rd party support. It wasn't the actual Gamecube that was bad... and if you actually believe that, you might want to rethink your position.

As to the rumor bit, I already stated that it is "confirmed." The real question is... will Sony allow this to happen without consequence?

They will either

A). Delay its release through some type of corporate manipulation.
B). Go for a hostile takeover of Square Enix and fuse it with SCEA to maintain exclusivity of the FF series on the PS brand.
C). Pay SE enough money to reconsider.

Option C isn't Sony's style. Option A is probably not possible. Sony is quite pro on Option B. I am going to laugh my ass off when it happens.

Blu Rays are crappy for Video Games? That is why all the major game studios have said the complete opposite right? Maybe they are "crappy" for stupid ports from the 360 to the PS3, but as far as core development goes, they are invaluable. Even Epic Studios own staff (creators of Gears of Wars, UT, etc) have said that Blu Ray is an amazing format and gives them the ability to make their games that much better. DVD9 is an extinct technology.

Would you rather have a Pentium III or an Intel Core 2 Duo Penryn 3.0GHz processor? Yeh... so I guess your argument that DVD9 is so awesome is out the window. It is old technology, and it will soon be buried. Antiques are just that, antiques.

Do you just have to bash the Xbox every time?? There is nothing wrong with live speed is great, never had problems with it, hell I download pretty fast also when buying stuff. The community is good, you get the annoying 9 year olds, but most of the time you do play with good people. Screw this, last post. I'm not going to add more fuel to this fire.

Another thing, I know tons of peple that use vista, and they find it's pretty good and never experienced problems with it.

DarkNecrid · Jul 19, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

As to Sony not doing a hostile takeover of Square Enix. They own a huge amount of stock in the company. If you understand what a hostile takeover is, then you would understand that if they complete it, the IP for Final Fantasy would be owned by SCEA, not the people who would decide to leave (if they even did) Square Enix. It would be a brilliant move to be honest. What do you think Ichan is doing with Yahoo right now? Wake up, it isn't a difficult concept. Oh, and if Sony had attempted a hostile takeover of Square Enix, you would have heard about it. Hostile takeovers are not small news in the stock market world. Again, look at MSFT and Yahoo. Icahn is a genius for doing what he is doing right now.

yes

a brilliant move

*everyone quits*

Seriously, SE doesn't work under anyone. They haven't for yearsssssssssssssssssssssssssss now. They'd (note: they being the people who matter and are big names at SE) sooner quit and remake the company together than work under Sony. Not only is it not as profitable for them to be on one console only (and SE is obviously big on money...HELLO MILKIN' FF7 FRANCHISE.), but it limits their creativity spectrum, since there are some game ideas that can only really be done on the Wii, and some things you might only want to put on the XB360 as well cause it favors that system.

Sony doesn't (read: never) really like to kill companies like that. Sure ya can cage a free spirit, but the free spirit is probably going to hate you for it.

Hostile takeovers generally only work in industries outside of the game industry because not only is getting a job WAY WAY harder (SUPER HIGHLY COMPETITIVE compared to the gaming industry) in other business industries (like firms, etc.), but the game industry is so volatile that most game studios design 1-2 games, go under, and reform anyways. It'd be a shitty way to go, but jobs are easily gettable in the game industry if you have the money and the people, 2 things which Square-Enix obviously has a lot of. Not only would Sony get a lot of backlash ("killed Square-Enix"), but they wouldn't really be making much out of this at all except showing people how big of dicks they are. Sony still has a FF exclusive, so I doubt they are just gonna go destroy a company like that.

Winterclaw · Jul 19, 2008, 03:22 PM // 15:22

I'm not sure if they wouldn't let someone else take over if there were favorable terms. Remember Squaresoft used to be independant, but then sold themselves to Enix because they were in such bad financial shape because of that one final fantasy movie flop (and that one sucked big time apart from the graphics). I mean it was beautiful for the first full-length CGI movie, but that was it. And a few months later the first shrek came along.

Necrid, I don't think the FF exclusive is important anymore now that SE is porting it to the 360.

DarkNecrid · Jul 19, 2008, 03:52 PM // 15:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winterclaw

I'm not sure if they wouldn't let someone else take over if there were favorable terms. Remember Squaresoft used to be independant, but then sold themselves to Enix because they were in such bad financial shape because of that one final fantasy movie flop (and that one sucked big time apart from the graphics). I mean it was beautiful for the first full-length CGI movie, but that was it. And a few months later the first shrek came along.

Necrid, I don't think the FF exclusive is important anymore now that SE is porting it to the 360.

uh they have Final Fantasy 13 Versus, it's still exclusive to PS3

. Also SE is still independent, and they didn't "sell themselves to Enix". While it is true that Square absorbed into Enix, Square also got top positions in the company. It was more of an equal merger if anything.

Pinball Wizard · Jul 19, 2008, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Haha, this reminds me of the flame wars people have on forums about which band is better, Megadeth or Metallica. And for this debate and the music one, I ask: Why can't you like both?

I have a 360, but I want a PS3 too. They both have great games, they both have cool online, and they essentially have the same graphics(OMG PS3 IS SLIGHTLY BETTER!!11!11!), I don't care about graphics, at all. Of course I dont want crappy graphics, but anything the next gen consoles can do is fine for me.
And besides, a top notch computer beats any system, any day.